Thursday, May 21, 2015

A Wonderful Email Conversation

I wanted to share part of a wonderful conversation I had recently with a good friend about how Love ultimately wins all hearts.. how wonderful to know that, as Julian of Norwich said, "All shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well."

Skylark:

It seems as though God never really thought of any of His children as "sinners', in His eyes we were probably always His beloveds. Even more fascinating is how Brian Zahnd writes about how God never once viewed us as needing forgiveness, or even willed for Jesus to die. We were the ones that killed him, yet God's love is fully depicted in that moment, since He essentially says "you can even kill me and I still love you, which proves that I have loved you all along". I once heard someone say that Jesus never came to reconcile us to an angry dictator, He only came to reveal a loving father. The post on your blog really underscored that for me.

It seems as though Grace just keeps getting better and better, and I'm finally seeing how all-encompassing it is. Really, no one is outside of the Grace of God, since everyone ends up happy in heaven with Him. And His love is truly the most freeing force on this universe. It is not coercive in the least, it is such a gentle, kind-hearted love akin to that of a lover, best friend, and parent. God never requires anything from us, freely offering us His life and unconditional love. He never asks that we continuously beg for forgiveness or even have any consciousness of our actions (good or bad), for our true worth and His love for us far supersede any of our actions.There is no "expectation" from us, He simply wants us to know that we are already in union with Him and we can now enjoy life, in spite of any hardships, since peace, love, joy and happiness already exist within us. And He is always taking care of us and our needs :) It is the best news!

Have you ever heard the song "You Got it" by Ray Orbison? It's an older song, from 1989, and though the lyrics have more romantic connotations, I couldn't help but think how it's almost like a love song from Jesus to us. The refrain goes,

"Anything you want, you got it
 Anything you need, you got it
 Anything at all, you got it."

It kind of made me think about how that's probably what God would say to us, He has already given us everything and more, by gifting us with His life within us, which is truly the greatest force ever. We are not lacking anything, He is there for us within us, caressing us, providing for us, and helping us in every way.

Sparrow:

The way you describe God and His love in that one paragraph, as never coercive, never requiring anything of us, gentle and kind-hearted, ..and of what He wants for us, to just know we're already in union with Him and can enjoy life because happiness is within us..wow!  That blew me away!  That is the best explanation of the good news I've heard in a long time and maybe ever!  THAT is the real gospel!

You know, I was thinking about how since I found out all are going to be in heaven, how much calmer and at peace I am in all areas of my life..it is like I was finally able to relax and really trust God, finally able to be at peace because He really IS good!  He really is!  I think before I struggled a bit because I couldn't see how He could really let people end up in hell instead of heaven..it made me a bit afraid of Him, like there was a 'bad' side to God that I had to be careful not to unleash!  Now that I know He is really going to get everyone into heaven with Him and wouldn't have it any other way, I feel He makes sense to me, life makes more sense, the gospel makes sense...knowing everything is going to be okay for everybody makes me feel that everything is so peaceful and right in such an ultimate way!

Skylark: 
I completely agree with your thoughts about knowing everyone ends up in heaven. For me, it feels as though that was the missing piece of the puzzle all along, that thinking He would be judging some means He did believe in some sort of retributive justice, which proved that He wasn't that good. I would have friends who never even knew Jesus that would say "I believe everyone ends up in heaven because deep down everyone is good". And looking back, if the truth about heaven for all were untrue, then my friends would indeed be better than God. Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts on your blog about universal salvation, it has always been something that has been on my mind but I felt scared about acknowledging it. Guess it was on our minds for a reason! lol

Just today I was thinking about how incredible it is to find Jesus outside of religion. Religion is such an oppressive force, and I wanted to know Him outside of religion, know who Jesus truly was. I'm seeing how He is the lightest force. Really, I now can see the possibility of all entering heaven because I see how no one is outside of His grace. Even though some may be unaware of His life within them, no one is outside of the circle of Grace. It's as if Jesus says to all, don't worry about church attendance, evangelism, or asking for forgiveness,the laws, or doctrinal issues, all I want is for you to simply be happy, feel this deep love within you, experience life within you and give you unending joy in the midst of this sometimes confusing life. Nothing on this earth can be as freeing nor more beautiful. Sometimes, when I feel depressed or weighed down I just think about how terrible my life was prior to knowing true Grace, and though I still may feel sad or anxious, some sort of peace takes hold.

Sparrow: 
I love what you said about Peace taking hold in those depressed moments!  I have experienced that too!  To me that is just so God, so Grace-at-Work! Grace is the love and presence and peace and acceptance of God (really His whole Being, which IS all those things) TAKING HOLD of our hearts and minds and flooding us with all that He is, carrying us forth in life, in happiness, in well-being and true shalom calmness, sailing us over all things in utter freedom, saturating everything and everyone with a deep sense of okayness, and bringing everything out to the perfect Happy Ending enjoying that wonderful intimacy of our union with Him forever! 

How wonderful to rest in the arms that will hold us all forever!
How beautiful to rest in such a God, a God who says to us, as He did to Julian of Norwich:

“See that I am God. See that I am in everything. See that I do everything. See that I have never stopped ordering my works, nor ever shall, eternally. See that I lead everything on to the conclusion I ordained for it before time began, by the same power, wisdom and love with which I made it. How can anything be amiss?”   

Isn't Grace wonderful? Isn't HE wonderful? :)

5 comments:

  1. I struggle with this. Don't get me wrong i am all for grace and I want everybody to go to heaven. But universal salvation? What happens to JOHN 3:16 then? I am not saying that you are wrong, I just need some clarification.

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  2. Hi there, Anon, I don't know all the answers. This is just where I am at in my ideas right now. I could be wrong. But I have to say it's brought me so much peace to believe this and has finally helped me see God as 100% Unconditional Love, finally helped me relax and trust Him in a bigger way than ever before..
    About John 3:16, I don't know, this is still a new idea for me..maybe it means that those who believe during this life on earth start experiencing heaven here and now, and those that don't wake up to everything here may not fully experience their destination, but will eventually, for 'every eye will see Him' and 'when we see Him we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is'..These are just some ideas I have. It is just a relief to me to think all will eventually be home enjoying heaven with God. I wouldn't want anyone to miss out on the party, and so I know neither would God. And if I could come up with some ideas about how to get everyone there, surely HE in His infinite wisdom has the perfect plan to do so as well! I don't think HE would have even made all us humans if He didn't have the perfect plan already in mind to bring us ultimately to enjoying Him in heaven. It does say that through Christ He reconciled ALL things to HImself, right? I remember that verse somewhere. And this one: "for from Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things!" Isn't HE lovely?
    Anyways, like I said these are my ideas now and I could be wrong. Please take away whatever is helpful to you and don't worry about the rest!

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    1. Correction - "those that don't wake up to everything here may not fully experience their destination (heaven) during this life on earth, but will eventually.."

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  3. Hey Sparrow, even though i don't quit agree with you on this issue of universal salvation, i believe that God is LOVE, and he knows how best to love. It's doesn't necessarily have to be on my own terms. He is perfect love even though i don't understand all of him. He has given us a choice. He says that we should choose life. Jesus. You don't have to worry how he would get the rest of us on the boat. You don't have to understand. As he found you, he well find the rest, and once found, always found . Once saved, always saved. Because he says that any one the father has brought to me will never be taken away.
    I am an avid reader of your post and i trust that our patient God will continue to teach us his ways. Amen.

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  4. Anon, I love what you wrote! Your words bring great comfort to me. Thank you for sharing these thoughts of hope and peace and rest! It gives such a great sense of security to the heart..beautiful thoughts!
    Grace and peace to you in every way, Anon!

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May the amazing grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the extravagant love of God, and the intimate friendship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you. 2 Co. 13:14